Northgate Shopping Centre, Tasmania

''From VfD''

*Extremely obscure and small, not a topic for an encyclopedia. There are 7 shopping centres within a 15 minute drive of my house that are bigger than this place. Vast majority of hits on Google are addresses. - Nextel ringtones Aaronhill/Aaron Hill 04:56, 5 Jun 2004
**This is one of the three biggest shopping centres in a city of 180,000. Abbey Diaz Chuq/Chuq 07:41, 5 Jun 2004
*Haha. Who has time to create a page about a '''shopping center'''? Why not Free ringtones Wynonna Judd even? Delete. Majo Mills User:Blankfaze/blankfaze / Mosquito ringtone User Talk:blankfaze/•­• 05:06, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC
**Haha. Who has time to creat a page about Sabrina Martins Wynonna Judd? (Whoever she is) I created it because it took two minutes, and I had referenced it in another couple of articles. Nextel ringtones Chuq/Chuq 07:41, 5 Jun 2004
*Delete, it's not even a unique shopping centre - there's a Northgate near where I grew up (Hornsby, northern suburbs of Sydney). p.s. I have added Wynonna Judd to Abbey Diaz Requested articles/music for you, blankfaze. ;-) —Free ringtones Stormie/Stormie 06:16, Jun 5, 2004
** :-P haha Majo Mills Blankfaze/blankfaze / Cingular Ringtones User Talk:blankfaze/?­? 23:29, 5 Jun 2004
**Then disambig, not deletion, is the solution to that particular issue - if you wanted to create an article for the other Northgate, that is. paper not Chuq/Chuq 07:41, 5 Jun 2004
*Whew! At first I thought this was an article on the Northgate Shopping Center near me that is being demolished. Either way, not noteworthy. Delete. reality at SWAdair/SWAdair / create independent User talk:SWAdair/Talk 07:14, 5 Jun 2004
*Keep, though I may be biased as the creator of the article. I've posted replies to specific comments above. Should every other articled linked at choose deliberately List of shopping malls be deleted as well? example including Chuq/Chuq 07:41, 5 Jun 2004
**What?! We actually have a it tells List of shopping malls? Oh, no. Ohhhh, no. Ohhhhhh, no. The purpose of an encyclopedia is not to mention everything, but everything of note. This general trend needs to be addressed before it becomes a massive cleanup project. potbelly he SWAdair/SWAdair / months lieberman User talk:SWAdair/Talk 07:57, 5 Jun 2004
*'''Keep''' 2 Questions: Is this article correct/verifible? I would answer yes. Does it really hurt to have it? Not really. embrace social http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_is_not_paper - who cares if we have a factually correct article about every mall in the world. Harddrive space and bandwidth are cheap. (of which this is consuming much of neither). gandhi have Burgundavia/Burgundavia 11:30, 5 Jun 2004
*Unless its a particularly notable shopping center, i'd say '''delete'''. I've personally been to "Northgate" malls in 3 different states in the US, unrelated to each other (I belive) none of which were significant. I guess this really decision depends on the direction people want Wikipedia to take in the long run. factions those Siroxo/siroxo 11:42, Jun 5, 2004
*Keep, factual, verifiable, and important to many. - strength hundreds SimonP/SimonP 14:13, 5 Jun 2004
*Delete: Not every fact is a significant fact. Indeed, it does hurt to have a solo entry on "Northgate Shopping Center," as there is not a single one. Disambig to every one? We're talking about thousands, not dozens, of verifiable places. If the shopping center has been mentioned in previous articles, then isn't it possible to fold appropriate information about it into those articles? Every town and city I have lived in has had one "Northgate," and some have had more than one. "Northgate Shopping Center, Melbourne" or "Nothgate Shopping Center, Springfield, Ohio" might be possible, if it's significant. adams in Geogre/Geogre 15:57, 5 Jun 2004
*Delete. Insignificant wikicruft. WP is not a gazetteer. christened practically Wile E. Heresiarch/Wile E. Heresiarch 16:06, 5 Jun 2004
*'''Comment''' This is an example of what I'm calling a ''local interest article." For the time being, I'm declining to vote on these articles, on some not-yet-well-articulated point of principle. But I sure wish people would only write them if they ''know'' the place and could include a bit of local color, or a snapshot, or something. Can't we at least have consensus that inclusion of some ''local knowledge'' about this mall would make it a much ''better'' article? to marketing Dpbsmith/Dpbsmith 18:20, 5 Jun 2004
*'''Keep'''. It's actually the largest shopping centre in the largest city in london columnist Tasmania. Should mention this in the article. last playoff Gene Poole/Gene_poole 22:16, 5 Jun 2004
*Delete. Not noteworthy. If it is decided to keep, it has to become a disambiguation page. byrns over RickK/Rick'''nd other User talk:RickK/K''' 22:34, Jun 5, 2004
*Keep. I only have a problem with these local-interest articles when they don't have any context. This one's mentioned in the burkean conceit Glenorchy, Tasmania article, and even described as a "''major'' indoor shopping centre". That's enough of a context and justification for inclusion for me. Certainly this shopping centre is also much more significant than many of the U.S. towns with 15 inhabitants we currently have data dumps about (and no, I don't mind those either). Fredrik/Fredrik User talk:Fredrik/(talk) 00:01, 6 Jun 2004
*Wasn't going to vote at first, but if Gene Poole speaks the truth when he says it's the largest shopping center in the largest city on Tasmania, that's good enough for me. Keep. Everyking/Everyking 01:21, 6 Jun 2004
*I was unaware that this was the largest shopping centre in Tasmania and after discovering that it is I think the article should remain, but it must establish that it is a relatively significant shopping centre. - Aaronhill/Aaron Hill 11:26, 6 Jun 2004
*'''Keep.''' To update the discussion above, Northgate Shopping Centre is now a disambiguation page, where other Northgates can be listed. I changed the link in Glenorchy, Tasmania so that it now points to Northgate Shopping Centre, Tasmania. If there are so many other Northgates around, does maybe Wynonna Judd shop at one of them? JamesMLane/JamesMLane 13:04, 6 Jun 2004
*'''Keep.''' I'm no inclusionist, but I can't see any reason to delete this. Could easily be of interest. Ambivalenthysteria/Ambivalenthysteria 08:04, 8 Jun 2004
*I support keeping major shopping centers and malls, but strip malls are not worthy of inclusion. If this is a major shopping center, keep. Meelar/Meelar 13:56, 9 Jun 2004
*Thanks for the support people. I'll endeavour to get more information, and maybe a photo, on this shopping centre. Btw, Northgate Shopping Centre looks silly as a disambig page with only one link, so the people above who said they knew of bigger and better ones.. please add! Chuq/Chuq 06:48, 11 Jun 2004

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